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I've been thinking a lot about the impermanence of things lately, and there will be a more abstract post about this at some point, but this has been annoying me specifically this week.

I usually keep my nose out of politics, but I've noticed an odd blind spot lately, particularly in opinion articles about the benefits system in the UK. The blind spot is the assumption that things will continue to be as they are in perpetuity. That is, families who are unemployed and living off benefits will continue to be unemployed and living off benefits, and families who are high-earners and paying taxes will continue to do so, thereby subsidising the 'lazy layabouts'. Or conversely that virtuous families who are on low incomes and struggling are kept there by the system of privilege and can never escape. Now, perhaps for a certain proportion of the people in this system, each of these might be the truth, but they both miss the point of the entire benefits system.

Social benefits exist because whatever situation you are in now is temporary. Work is temporary. Health is temporary. Your current age is most definitely temporary. Being out of work, or ill, or old tends to be temporary also. The entire point of jobseekers benefits, and health related benefits, and pensions is not to encourage people to rely on the state, but because these things could happen to anyone. (They also exist because people who are out of work, ill and desperate are more likely to commit crime if they can't afford food, shelter, heat. So the taxpayer benefits from people having a safety net in that way too. Just sayin'.)

I find it bizarre that the bigots complaining about paying taxes can't imagine a situation in which they themselves might be ill, or homeless, or old, and in need of help. The lack of imagination astounds me. Banks collapse, families break up, companies go bust unexpectedly. Illness is unpredictable. You simply can't insure for everything.

Enlightened self interest, people?

Just like the national lottery... it could be you.

Date: 2010-10-12 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soopahgrover.livejournal.com
Sounds to me like you're talking about the US.

I think the well off see themselves as immune because they usually have golden parachutes of some kind. That and when someone in those circles does falter, they're usually never heard from again. They don't show up at the country club anymore.

While we continue to let lobbyists run Washington, and elect wealthy representatives and senators, it's not likely to change.

Date: 2010-10-12 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunspiral.livejournal.com
This mindset is neither confined to the UK nor to politics. The business world keeps stumbling over it as well.

Date: 2010-10-12 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emanix.livejournal.com
Oh it's true, I certainly wasn't implying that this is the only place such attitudes crop up. Just where I've been seeing them over and over again in the last few weeks.

*sigh*

I guess there are people walking around with their brains switched off in every area.

Date: 2010-10-12 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] world-rim-walke.livejournal.com
I'm currently worried as I don't have insurance and, after a quick look at some quote sites, have no clue how to choose them. I wish our politicians would see their way to providing state-funded insurance.

Date: 2010-10-12 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comfy-chair.livejournal.com
As part of my job I have to read the dregs of tabloid press, namely the Daily Mail, and that attitude is really obvious there. It's a prevailing attitude of 'only the lazy are unemployed or sick' along with 'only drug addicts/alcoholics become homeless' and it always gets much worse during a recession. People back off from social responsibility and refuse to think they could be in the same situation at any moment.

One of my partners was on sickness benefit for a decade before slowly getting well enough to work again. Now he's struggling again and is petrified of ending up back on benefits once more. Seeing the current UK government talking about cutting that safety net really doesn't help his stress levels.

Date: 2010-10-12 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emanix.livejournal.com
It's a prevailing attitude of 'only the lazy are unemployed or sick' along with 'only drug addicts/alcoholics become homeless'

Yes this - a nuance I didn't quite capture, I feel.

As I'm fond of saying in conversations about privilege, it is hard to see the mountain when you're standing on it, but I can't quite believe that this lot don't feel how the bracing wind at the top could just as easily knock them off.

Sympathy to your partner. I've been there, and am very aware of how fragile things really are.

Date: 2010-10-12 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
I find it bizarre that the bigots complaining about paying taxes can't imagine a situation in which they themselves might be ill, or homeless, or old, and in need of help.

With the current Government, I'm afraid they probably can't imagine that situation - most of them come from very wealthy and privileged families and have had trust funds, property investments and stocks and shares to back up their working incomes, so even if they did find themselves out of work, they would never find themselves in genuine need. There may, for the more nouveau-riche Tories, be a family story of how great-great-grandfather pulled himself up by his bootstraps from humble beginnings but that only serves to cement the notion that hard work will get you to the top in life - conveniently ignoring the thousands who worked just as hard as Good Old Pop and died in penniless old age.

Date: 2010-10-12 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] world-rim-walke.livejournal.com
They're also ignoring the fact that they didn't work to get to the top. They were born there.

Date: 2010-10-12 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emanix.livejournal.com
I think not everyone who is making these sorts of comments is actually born into the privileged classes in that sense, but I know a lot of folk who have simply through luck never been out of work or seriously ill, who assume that they will continue to be that way forever. (I have a partner who takes this attitude, not about taxes, but about debt) - These are the people who REALLY make me headdesk. They're at risk, but don't understand, or want to know it.

Date: 2010-10-12 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] world-rim-walke.livejournal.com
I think there may be worse than that, those people who have been out of work or seriously ill but still oppose it. These may also be mythical.

Date: 2010-10-12 05:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] softfruit.livejournal.com
This.

I had guilty feelings of hope about this recession: the one in the 80s mostly seems to have been a class centred / North-South recession, where this time it looked more likely to spread the misery around. Because I anticipated the plaintive wail of Daily Mail readers finding that when they did go and sign on it turned out they weren't given a new TV, house in #nice-part-of-town, a car and an unlimited supply of liquor.

Though while I hoped it would bring them down to earth about what life is like on the income they deem a luxury, it would probably have just been held up to prove that these things were only on offer to the unemployed masses if they were black / gay / immigrant / %daily-mail-enemy-du-jour%

(rest of comment deleted as I realised I was just heading into Medium Grade Ranting)

Date: 2010-10-12 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innocent loverboy (from livejournal.com)
Everything in life is, after all, only "for now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxGJRu1pRY)"...

Wise words, madame. The thing about this fact is, sadly, that everyone knows it, after all. They just don't want to accept it...

Date: 2010-10-12 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emanix.livejournal.com
Heh, I was tempted to link to Avenue Q too. Nice one. :)

Something odd seems to have happened to your link though. Let's try again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxGJRu1pRY)

Date: 2010-10-12 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innocent loverboy (from livejournal.com)
Well, I used my a href= tag correctly. Seems LJ doesn't particularly like formatting HTML in posts not done via actual LJ users. OpenID, my arse!

Kicker

Date: 2010-10-14 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holdenspoly.livejournal.com
The kicker for me is not the people who can't seem to imagine themselves in this situation. Those with massive inheritance or golden parachutes are an extreme minority. It's the vast majority of those that oppose "government handouts" and the like that have, themselves, been supported by these same systems. People who have taken unemployment, medicade, even welfare, and food stamps (My experience is US based), yet turn around and talk about this imaginary "other" that is mooching away all their now hard earned money via some of the lowest taxes in history.

It boggles my mind because they *have* experienced the temporary-ness of these situations, yet are still convinced the safety nets should not be there anymore. Those same safety nets that caught them and helped boost them back up to be contributing members of society.

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